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navylarz
Roch, MN
Posted on 11/9/2009 at 12:12:51 PM
There have been hundreads of healthy girls who have died from the HPV Vacciene. Thousands more have suffered great bodily harm, have been disabled, and have become sick.
The HPV Vacciene is aimed at 4/24 strains of HVP that develop later in life for women. The short term risk is higher than the possibliity of this doing help later in life. It is a safe bet that in the next 20-30 years we will have a better understanding and cure from HVP when it starts to effect the young women who are in a position to receive this shot.
Please do your own research before you reach a conclusion on this shot.
Shadow
Rochester, MN
Posted on 11/9/2009 at 12:22:06 PM
Yet another case of regurgitating something someone “heard”.
Consider making sure you have the facts…
As of September 1, 2009, there have been 44 U.S. reports of death among females who have received the vaccine. Twenty seven of these reports have been confirmed and 17 remain unconfirmed due to no identifiable patient information in the report such as a name and contact information to confirm the report. Confirmed reports are those that scientists have followed up on and have verified the claim. In the 27 reports confirmed, there was no unusual pattern or clustering to the deaths that would suggest that they were caused by the vaccine.http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/Vaccines/HPV/gardasil.html
Atilla
Rochester, Mn
Posted on 11/9/2009 at 12:25:07 PM
What is the real motivation behind this vaccine?
On the one hand society denounces Sidney for a “relationship” with a child,
and on the other hand society vaccinates children for sexually transmitted diseases.
Shadow
Rochester, MN
Posted on 11/9/2009 at 12:32:21 PM
The motivation is to keep women from dying. Not everyone is as holy as you, and might contract something that could kill them from even ONE partner.
Native
Rochester, mn
Posted on 11/9/2009 at 12:32:42 PM
How many women have died from cervical cancer caused by the HPV virus? I don’t have the statistics handy, but this PREVENTABLE cancer is the reason for the vaccine.
justme420
rochester, mn
Posted on 11/9/2009 at 12:37:01 PM
Atilla- I believe the “real motivation” would be to help PREVENT the disease. “The CDC says the vaccine does not protect those already exposed to HPV” So if given at a young age, BEFORE they are sexually active, this could prove to be very helpful in the fight against cervical cancer, and other forms of the hpv virus!
Atilla
Rochester, Mn
Posted on 11/9/2009 at 12:51:36 PM
So you need to vaccinate a NINE year old CHILD before she is sexually active, which one would HOPE would be at least be 18 years.
Vaccinating against a sexually transmitted disease at 9 yrs is like a vote of no confidence in the child’s ability to display sexual responsibility when she is 18 years, which is NINE years (or more) later!
It is like saying to a child:
Eat healthy foods, don’t overindulge and you won’t become obese … BUT, just in case you can’t control yourself, we’ll give you gastric banding surgery in advance.
Apparently this vaccination practice is based on a worst case scenario - instead of trying to support our children by building a “best practice” ethos/morals from within the family.
They are using worst case scenarios to justify vaccination against STDs, not taking into account the other ways of preventing cervical cancer nor the possible side-effects of vaccination.
Shadow
Rochester, MN
Posted on 11/9/2009 at 12:57:29 PM
Its called the “real world” and not the fantasy world of everyone being perfect. You’d rather your daughter/granddaughter/son’s wife/son’s girlfriend/etc. die for being imperfect?
That’s like saying we should discourage people from getting the flu vaccine because that means we have no faith in their maintenance of their immune system (exercise, eating right) or their faithfully washing their hands after they touch, well anything, or purelling every 5 minutes.
Believing someone will be perfect is great and all, but just in case they live in the real world, they should be protected.
Native
Rochester, mn
Posted on 11/9/2009 at 1:00:02 PM
The main reason isn’t to prevent the STD, it’s to prevent the cervical cancer that is caused by it. Leave the morality part out of it; this is preventive medicine.
Atilla
Rochester, Mn
Posted on 11/9/2009 at 1:06:00 PM
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Atilla
Rochester, Mn
Posted on 11/9/2009 at 1:24:34 PM
It’s another libbie conundrum.
Drug companies are bad!!!
Big. Bad. Profiteering.
Drug companies = baaaaaaad!
But now suddenly drug companies are good!
It’s ok, it’s perfectly fine that they are making billions in profits giving a vaccine originally developed for homosexual men to female children.
Atilla
Rochester, Mn
Shadow
Rochester, MN
Posted on 11/9/2009 at 3:59:30 PM
And the intent of the development of Viagra was as a cardiac drug....what difference does it make what the original “intent” was? The point is that the vaccine is available and effective at preventing a specific cancer.
The fact is that women die from this every year. Mothers. Daughters. Sisters. The shot is available and effective at preventing a cancer that will kill. Even if it doesn’t kill, have you ever talked with a woman who’s had to undergo treatment?
Maybe if this was a drug that prevented testicular cancer or prostate cancer more of us would be in favor of it....
Atilla
Rochester, Mn
Posted on 11/10/2009 at 9:08:56 AM
Please tell dear editor what did I say that was “uncivil”?
I was replying to merv, whose comment has now disappeared!
I think somebody did not like the fact that I pointed out that this vaccine was originally developed for another segment of the population.
The original intention of the vaccine had nothing to do with preventing cervical cancer in women:
http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2008/10/16/2393111.htm
justme420
rochester, mn
Posted on 11/10/2009 at 9:16:35 AM
Who cares what the “original intent” was?!? It helps prevent a disease that kills thousands of woman!!!
Native
Rochester, mn
Posted on 11/10/2009 at 9:17:55 AM
Atilla, you are letting your homophobic side show. A virus is a virus is a virus. Doesn’t matter WHO it affects. And it doesn’t care WHO it affects. The medical world seeks to cure, and we don’t decriminate who is helped based on their lifestyle. I suppose if you had your way smokers would not be treated for lung cancer? Or perhaps obese people would be denied insulin? Life is not a giant conspiracy.
bluestar
rochester, mn
Posted on 11/10/2009 at 9:25:28 AM
A lot of misleading information for something we are supposed to give (it seems unquestionalby) our young daughters.
It is not a safeguard against all types of cervical cancer.(Interesting the boys’ version is just now hitting the market. I guess they get to be the later guinea pigs.) The girls’ version has been out for what, three plus years?
Atilla
Rochester, Mn
Posted on 11/10/2009 at 9:25:34 AM
Ahhh...no. It’s so obvious.
If you all, (and the feds) were REAAALLYYY concerned about cervical cancer and actually WANTED to address the causes of HPV infection, they would spend more on programs to reduce the high-risk behavior that spreads the disease.
The fact that this vaccine is being pushed on NINE year olds demonstrates the motive behind it.
And its obvious that motive is to provide validation for a society which believes in consequence-free sex.
justme420
rochester, mn
Posted on 11/10/2009 at 9:46:55 AM
Atilla- It is not being “pushed” on 9 year olds! It’s approved for women ages 9-26, but recommended to be given around 11 or 12. (when alot of girls begin menstrating) You think that’s too early for your daughter, sister, whoever, then wait! Or don’t get it at all! It’s your choice. No vaccine is “pushed”. Do they recommend it? Yes! They also recommend that you vaccinate your child at 6 monthes for measles, and other diseases too, that doesn’t mean that you have to comply.
bluestar
rochester, mn
Posted on 11/10/2009 at 10:00:40 AM
My experience with a trip to the pediatricain with my eleven year old was that this vaccine was in fact “pushed.” The more questions I asked about it, the more adament the pediatricain became. It all came from left field at a routine exam, with my just barely 11 yr old in the room. One would hope that parents be given all the information, (pluses and minuses, not done in this case), and time to research for themselves, letting the parent decide what is best.
I might add that the pediatrician had no history with my daughter, or our family. The goal was just to get this girl vaccinated.
Native
Rochester, mn
Posted on 11/10/2009 at 10:13:06 AM
Yes, and tetanus shots are “pushed” (strongly recommended) too. As are DPT, polio vaccines, and all the rest. Recommended for your child’s benefit. We can have a new generation that is virtually cervical cancer free. Sounds like a terrible conspiracy to me, just like eradicating small pox was.
justme420
rochester, mn
Posted on 11/10/2009 at 10:24:59 AM
Lol Native! You are so right!!! And no doubt a conspiracy that Obama is behind! =)
freethink
er
Rochester, MN
Posted on 11/10/2009 at 11:38:51 AM
Consider that you are dealing with the same mentality that brought us the “HIV was sent by god to kill homosexuals” crowd and so a virus that kills women years after sex as teenagers is their punishment and we shouldn’t interfere.
Native
Rochester, mn
Posted on 11/10/2009 at 11:48:03 AM
Thank you justme420 and freethinker. I was starting to feel like I am the only rational one who reads these!
therego
Rochester, MN
Posted on 11/10/2009 at 8:51:37 PM
I got my daughter vaccinated. I only wish it had been available for me before I contracted HPV due to the wandering of the only man I had been with.
This is not a moral issue. This is a health issue. Getting a vaccine is not going to make girls irresponsible or promiscuous. It prevents cancer.
Mrs_C
Rochester, MN
Posted on 11/10/2009 at 9:01:13 PM
You’re not the only rational one, Native. There are a few more who agree with you.
My almost 13 year old Granddaughter was vaccinated before starting 7th grade. It was her idea to have it done. Smart girl.
I wonder how many women undergo Hysterectomies, as I did 2 years ago, because of dormant viruses that cause Pre-Cancerous cells that develope into Cervical Cancer?
It’s better to be safe than sorry!
beekeeper
Rochester, MN
Posted on 11/11/2009 at 11:06:07 AM
Purity rings, abstinence-only classes, or total lack of sex education does not keep girls (and boys!) from having sex. Talking, talking, talking to kids about how it works and what can happen, including pregnancy and STDs, at least gives mom and dad some hope that the kids will think before they act. Bristol Palin had all the moral education you would think possible, or at least her parents talk a good game, but she still got pregnant. Should she catch a virus too because she sinned? If everyone got punished like that, sapiens would be extinct by now.
crazyinmn
Rochester, MN
Posted on 11/11/2009 at 11:40:32 AM
My daughter got vaccinated at my request. I wish I could have before I developed HPV and the trouble-some gyne apps that go with it.
My kids are learning thru long, frequent talks not to have sex. I won’t ask them to wait til marriage but I ask them to wait until adulthood. When they should be better prepared.
Vaccines have proven risky. I guess its a risk I’m willing to take.
mldenney
Byron, MN
Posted on 11/11/2009 at 6:17:45 PM
If I understand correctly, the earlier this vaccine is given, the more effective it is. So after voting against it, I now am voting for it :-)
As one earlier poster said, it only takes one encounter, and it could even be your spouse that gives you the virus.
