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Hugh_Bric
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Rocehster, MN
Posted on 11/11/2009 at 9:17:20 PM
>>> AARP in Minnesota plans to run a full-page advertisement next week in the Post-Bulletin and four to five other Minnesota newspapers thanking 1st District DFL Rep. Tim Walz for his “yes” vote on health care reform.
AARP is a sham. They don’t represent the interests of us old people. Not anymore.
ElGuapo
GoingGalt, MN
Posted on 11/11/2009 at 9:47:32 PM
Who could be opposed to free, universal comprehensive healthcare, the Obamists say? Nobody gets denied. Nobody gets shoddy care. Every doctor and nurse gets an income. Everybody pays…
No downside.
We will trust our electeds to pass legislation requiring all healthcare insurers insure anyone, regardless of ability to pay. Regardless of any preexisting conditions. They MUST offer x level of coverage. And of course, it should be affordable.
PROBLEM. What insurance company will write that policy? Affordable (!) “Cadillac” healthcare. Why don’t you just walk into the butcher shop and tell the butcher that he MUST sell you that aged prime rib for $1/lb!
We don’t live in a vacuum. Cause and effect.
So we offer a public option. An option that offers all the wonders of a private plan, with none of the headaches. It will compete with the private plan!
PROBLEM. Private plans cannot compete with a “government option” that has bottomless taxpayer pockets to pick and subsidize their scheme. Look for employers to ditch their expensive private plans in favor of the cheaper “government option”.
But everyone will pay their “fair share” say the Obamists. Everyone pays something…
PROBLEM. Nearly 50% of our population already pay nothing in income tax. NOTHING. Not a thin dime. Suddenly, you are going to spring a hefty 7-14% tax on THEM? The core constituance you promised would get FREE healthcare?
Oh no. There are some who have cheated the system, and exploited the working class to unfairly prosper while others have little. They must be brought to heel. The successful. The entrepreneur. The business owner. They shall pay.
PROBLEM. No, they won’t. They will fire their employees, decrease their wages and the successful will withold their labor and industry. Why pay 50%+ of your income in taxes, when you can cut back to 30 hours per week and get under that arbitrary, pesky $500K noose?
But we shouldn’t think such things. Greedy people.
Othelmo__
Rochester, MN
Posted on 11/11/2009 at 10:02:28 PM
The AARP has sold out senior citizens. The death care reform bill Walz voted for will rob Minnesota’s elderly of the care they need. It also raids Medicare, robbing Peter to pay Paul.
Shame on Walz for not doing what is best for Minnesota seniors.
madrick
rochester, MN
Posted on 11/12/2009 at 5:03:23 AM
And you believe your “No healthcare, DIE QUICKLY” plan is better?
Mrs_C
Rochester, MN
Posted on 11/12/2009 at 5:17:42 AM
Looks like Tony Sutton is using the Ron Carey play book that helped get more Democrats elected to office in Minnesota.
Hugh_Bric
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Rocehster, MN
Posted on 11/12/2009 at 6:23:53 AM
>>> And you believe your “No healthcare, DIE QUICKLY” plan is better?
A ridiculous straw man fallacy madric/jared. Name specifically one person or group (perhaps other than the Obama “death panels“) who is pushing such an idea.
Atilla
Rochester, Mn
Posted on 11/12/2009 at 6:45:03 AM
“Health Care for America Now” is one of MANY groups funded by George Soros:
http://97.74.65.51/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=35838
Read the whole article.
Billionaires Kerry and Dean are also funding organizations to socialize/communize America.
All the groups and their members overlap - in order to look like more people support their radical agenda than actually do.
reader008
Chatfield, Mn
Posted on 11/12/2009 at 9:23:52 AM
Once again,,,it is not about the health care, it is about power that obama needs. Is there any area of this country that he is not trying to get his name connected to. The guy is an ego manic. He is a danger to the freedoms of this country. Once the govt gets control of your health care, they have control of your bank account. If you think otherwise, you are living in a dream world.
reader008
Chatfield, Mn
Posted on 11/12/2009 at 9:27:16 AM
The politicians aren’t going to use this plan for their families, why do you want it? Most people today already have coverage through work. If you can’t afford health insurance, the govt today will help you out. But if you can’t afford health insurance today, there is no way you can afford the obama plan. Nothing is free, it all comes from tax dollars.
reader008
Chatfield, Mn
Posted on 11/12/2009 at 9:28:33 AM
And just for the record, I have dropped AARP.
madrick
rochester, MN
Posted on 11/12/2009 at 9:35:04 AM
And to prove your point further, also cancel your medicare and any social security.
reader008
Chatfield, Mn
Posted on 11/12/2009 at 10:44:42 AM
Madrick, didn’t say I was proving a point. But as long as you brought it up, what is the point you are trying make?
madrick
rochester, MN
Posted on 11/12/2009 at 12:22:52 PM
You can’t just pick and choose which gov’t programs YOU want to keep or cut. If that is the case than eliminate CIA, FBI, IRS, FTC, FCC, Police and Fire and while you’re at it, why even have a standing army? Off with all that stuff. Get rid of road maintenance and highways ALL welfare including your retirement and medicare ins. Let the rule of the jungle rein and let me see what kind of private investment would prosper in this country(maybe the porn industry would be the only one making it...cuz they don’t need roads)
chimin
rochester, mn
Posted on 11/12/2009 at 1:25:00 PM
Do not support AARP.. I no longer am a member. Do not ever vote for Walz, as he does not represent the majority. I have written him many times and receive the standard form letter.. he to is “bought”. I have been care-giveing my elderly blind and sick mother this past year, with this reform, she would not have been “granted” access to the great care she has and continues to receive from the Mayo Clinic.
Atilla
Rochester, Mn
Posted on 11/12/2009 at 2:30:35 PM
reader008 and chimin,
AARP is another arm of the DFL just like ACORN and La Razza.
My gramps says that in the literature they mail out to members they tell their members who to vote for, and they spin the info like crazy. They ignore facts.
AARP always supports the democrat.
AARP always supports expanded entitlements.
What’s the point of paying to belong to something you do not agree with, and is against your beliefs?
chimin
rochester, mn
Posted on 11/12/2009 at 2:36:23 PM
atilla, agree, no longer do. the “discounts” at the hotels no longer make a difference to me ; )
Atilla
Rochester, Mn
Posted on 11/12/2009 at 2:36:37 PM
The ironic thing is, AARP was started years ago by a republican president (I can’t remember who my gramps said) to support senior citizens.
Over the years, the DFL has turned AARP into their own private lobby group.
irishman
Rochester, Mn
Posted on 11/12/2009 at 2:37:41 PM
AARP is like acorn and la raza?
I just payed 65.00 for my 5 year extension. I never read the stuff they send, I just wanted to be a member because we get some purchases and travel at a discount.
Now you’re telling me I’m aiding and abetting the enemy? Damn!!!
winston
rochester, mn
Posted on 11/12/2009 at 2:50:46 PM
It’s a great thing for the people of Minnesota but not, apparently, for members of congress. What will be the tax on Walz’s Cadillac Health Care plan? 2010 can’t come too soon. It is the last chance to save this country. No Walz, no incumbents period.
Atilla
Rochester, Mn
Posted on 11/12/2009 at 2:52:08 PM
He’s definitely not representing us.
Who is?
winston
rochester, mn
Posted on 11/12/2009 at 3:02:24 PM
King George did not listen either. We need to insure the 2010 election makes 1994 look like a democrat victory.
Mrs_C
Rochester, MN
Posted on 11/12/2009 at 3:28:41 PM
Contrary to the constant misinformation opined here, NO Health Care reform will bannkrupt the country in more ways than we will be able to shake a stick at.
Case in point when the Uninsured go to the Emergency Room for basic care. WE all pay for it. Be that higher Hospital costs when we need to be in the hospital for Surgery, having a baby, tests, etc.
We pay for it through higher Insurance premiums.
We pay for it when LGA and other monies needed by rural and County Hospitals get drastically reduced and have to close their doors. Such is the case with Hennipen County Medical Center. What good is this for the country when a Hospital has to close its doors?
Tim Walz is very much aware of the ramifications of no Health Care reform will do to this country.
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JHJM
rochester, mn
Posted on 11/12/2009 at 3:34:39 PM
Wha wha hwa, I have never heard bigger cry babies. The republicans could not come up with a better bill; oh they will cry some more and say the Dems wouldn’t work with them. Whatever, they and many of you don’t want a plan, for some reason you want insurance companies to keep rejecting care and treatment. Now it is AARP’s fault, wha wha, hwa, they turned on us! Why because it makes sense! I will say it again, PUBLIC EDUCATION made this country a superpower and the US (mostly republican plans) let that go down the toilet and now we out source MANY high paying jobs to foreign graduates capable of doing the jobs. Now you cry when PUBLIC HEALTH CARE can make us a better country, what the heck don’t you want a healthier America? Oh I know not on my tax dollar, well it even makes the government better to have a healthy workforce that Is not afraid of big insurance companies and able to move form job to job without losing their health care. For those of you that are worried about the poor insurance companies give me a break I hear you complain routinely about rates and coverage so cry to someone else because most adults don’t want to hear your childish whining anymore!
Rochester
_Gadfly
Rochester, MN
Posted on 11/12/2009 at 3:36:52 PM
I got tied-up at lunch. Did anyone get to the rally at Senator Klobuchar’s office? What was the turn-out like?
JHJM
rochester, mn
Posted on 11/12/2009 at 3:44:46 PM
Hey Hugh-Brice HOW ABOUT MAYO CLINC DOCTORS! Nice try with the death panels, Republican scare tactics, is that the best you can do. Obviously look at the plan your party came up with. It covered very few and little. Cost more in the long run, had no way to pay for itself (very Bush like) and didn’t have a single thing about protecting those with health pre-existing conditions form insurance companies. All I hear is, just like wait until next election Did you see Minneapolis and St. Paul elected Democratic Mayors by huge margins! Sorry Rochester is or was the only major republican city and that is changing with more educated young professionals moving here.
ElGuapo
GoingGalt, MN
Posted on 11/12/2009 at 3:45:33 PM
JHJM: I all for public health care. But let the public who wants it, pay for it.
The Federal government has proven itself incapable of running a healthcare paradigm for those over 65; and even worse at running a Ponzi scheme like Social Security.
Mrs_C
Rochester, MN
Posted on 11/12/2009 at 3:52:31 PM
When you get to be 65, El Guapo, I hope you have sevceral million in the bank to retire on because I dare you NOT to accept Social Security or Medicare.
Nor would I want you to be benevolent on others for your care should something major happen to you or a family member.
winston
rochester, mn
Posted on 11/12/2009 at 4:00:49 PM
Democrats like Walz owe their jobs to people who do not pay taxes, not young professionals at least not after they finally see what they have to pay in taxes and malpractice insurance.
aghast
jefferson, mn
Posted on 11/12/2009 at 4:14:58 PM
I can’t speak for Elg, but I myself would be happy not to accept social security.
They just need to return what they’ve confiscated from me without my consent along with a decent return,(which I feel entitled to) and we’ll call it even.
Mrs_C
Rochester, MN
Posted on 11/12/2009 at 4:18:10 PM
WOW Winston!! That’s some claim you make! Did you do a study of who are Tim Walz’s supporters? Do have PROOF of what yu claim??
The people I know who voted for Walz last year are Republicans who once held Public Office, Teachers, Doctors, Nurses, Lawyers, Business Owners, professionals from the Mayo Clinic in support areas, IBMers, Bankers, Financial planners. Not to mention Dishwashers, Housekeepers, Grocery store clerks, Librarians, Hair stylists, Electricians, Plumbers, College students, etc. They all work and pay Taxes.
So when you make the false assertion that Democrats like Walz owe their jobs to people who do not pay taxes, you had beter have the proof to back it up.
ElGuapo
GoingGalt, MN
Posted on 11/12/2009 at 4:24:55 PM
“When you get to be 65, El Guapo, I hope you have sevceral million in the bank to retire on because I dare you NOT to accept Social Security or Medicare.
Nor would I want you to be benevolent on others (????) for your care should something major happen to you or a family member.“—Mrs_CI doubt that Social Security will “be there”, in it’s present form regardless of your challange, Mrs_C.
It is, by definition, a PONZI SCAM. It is collapsing, as all Ponzi scams do, and it is a wholesale embarrassment to our country’s aggregate intelligence that “useful idiots” still defend it.
Medicare currently has an unfunded deficit of $37 billion. It is expected to go bankrupt shortly.
Do you know what, Mrs_C? I would go so far as to NOT accept Social Security and Medicare if the Federal government promised to take no more of my wealth from me henceforth. Keep the money that has already been confiscated.
Not that their promises are worth anything. Just look at Social Security and Medicare!
(I don’t understand your use of the term benevolence in your second paragraph.)
ElGuapo
GoingGalt, MN
Posted on 11/12/2009 at 4:27:42 PM
Funny you should ask for proof of anything, Mrs_C. You never offer anything other than links to the usual drivel from HuffPo or DailyKos.
Mrs_C
Rochester, MN
Posted on 11/12/2009 at 4:31:43 PM
Then your proof comes from Beck, Limbaugh, FOX, and World Net Daily, EG?
ElGuapo
GoingGalt, MN
Posted on 11/12/2009 at 4:37:05 PM
No… I offer up research and legitimate sources. You seem to have ignored the peer reviewed, published research that FDR wrecked the economy during the Great Depression; and instead offer up wild anecdotes about old people, accusations and hearsay.
Here is a link to the kind of proof I offer, Mrs_C. Don’t worry, I expect you to ignore it.
http://newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucla/FDR-s-Policies-Prolonged-Depression-5409.aspx
Hugh_Bric
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Rocehster, MN
Posted on 11/12/2009 at 4:37:39 PM
To JHJM:
The Mayo Doctors are not death panels. If you want to slander them, that’s your right I suppose. A disgraceful act I would think unless you have proof.
Until we have socialized medicine in the near future, we have choice. You can choose your doctor, your health plan, etc. Once we have socialized medicine, it is the gov’t who decides who lives and dies...and there is no other choice. And that’s the problem.
Mrs_C
Rochester, MN
Posted on 11/12/2009 at 4:43:05 PM
I actually read that link, EG without you even having to suggest it. A different opinion given.
JHJM
rochester, mn
Posted on 11/12/2009 at 4:49:46 PM
Hugh- Brice- I misunderstood you THEY SUPPORT OBAMA, if you read my post you would know that
ElGuapo
GoingGalt, MN
Posted on 11/12/2009 at 4:51:51 PM
When Socialized medicine comes, it will come with the usual problems of government incompetence. And there will be NO RECOURSE for anyone who dislikes their care, is unable to get care, or is maimed/injured killed during the course of their care. Who are you going to run to when some bureaucrat at ObamaCare Inc. says that Granma can’t get medicine X because its just not worth it due to expense. (they would never actually come out and say that, of course… they would just say, “sorry...“)
Remember, you can’t sue the Federal government or their agents. So be careful what you wish for.
So why would Princess Nancy and Dirty Harry Reid care? It doesn’t affect them. You can’t hold them accountable… they are doing it for the common good.
Hugh_Bric
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Rocehster, MN
Posted on 11/12/2009 at 6:24:24 PM
JHJM - Show me a list of every Mayo Doctor endorsing Obama and maybe I’d believe you. Heck, even 40% of them signing a statement saying they support it. You don’t have it.
Atilla
Rochester, Mn
Posted on 11/12/2009 at 6:32:13 PM
JHJM, if Mayo is such a big supporter of 0bama’s socialist/communist hijacking of the medical industry why wasn’t Walz’s rally at Mayo?
Othelmo__
Rochester, MN
Posted on 11/12/2009 at 11:24:41 PM
“I got tied-up at lunch. Did anyone get to the rally at Senator Klobuchar’s office? What was the turn-out like?”
Great for us. Dismal for the MoveOn.org types. At the start of the event, there were 70 demonstrators against Walz’s death care. When I got there at noon, I thought I was going to face battling demonstrations. There was nothing of the sort. Our group was jovial and enthusiastic as usual. They waved signs to passing cars and got a lot of positive feedback.
The MoveOners, all eight(!) of them, were inside the office. No Rochesterites, mind you. All transplants from the Twin Cities and who knows where else.
But wait. We’re not done. There’s another event planned for Saturday at 10:00 a.m. There is a lot of buzz about it as well. Here’s the official announcement:
CONGRESSMAN TIM WALZ PULLED THE PLUG ON HEALTH CARE!
The health care bill passed by the U.S. House of Representatives last week will have devastating effects upon our Nation. After talking for weeks out of both sides of his mouth on the issue, Tim Walz demonstrated his true colors when he jumped up on the Nancy Pelosi bandwagon and turned his back on his own constituents! NOW IT IS TIME FOR THE PEOPLE OF MINNESOTA TO EVALUATE WALZ’S JOB PERFORMANCE! Please join us for a public rally:
DATE: Saturday, November 14th
TIME:10:00 AM
LOCATION:Office of Congressman Tim Walz 1134 7th Street N.W. Rochester
Congressman Walz has been invited to meet with his constituents at this event. However, if he does not have the courage to defend his vote, we still have a message to deliver. The rally will feature special guest speaker and Minnesota health care policy expert Fran Bradley. PLEASE JOIN US!
Othelmo__
Rochester, MN
Posted on 11/13/2009 at 7:48:36 AM
For pictures of the rally, go to http://paleoconstrikes.blogspot.com/2009/11/rochester-health-care-rally.html
freethink
er
Rochester, MN
Posted on 11/13/2009 at 11:29:19 AM
“Great for us. Dismal for the MoveOn.org types.”
Maybe because we “move on types” were working to pay the taxes that pay your salary and pay into to the government run health insurance called Medicare that likely most if not all of “your side” participants are covered by.
OnlyTheTr
uth
MN, MN
Posted on 11/13/2009 at 11:48:14 AM
Walz = Poverty and Ponzi Pimp, yet he will never have to take part of the decisions he made.
Talk about being a HYPOCRITE!
Othelmo__
Rochester, MN
Posted on 11/13/2009 at 12:47:36 PM
“Maybe because we “move on types” were working to pay the taxes that pay blah blah blah ...”
Testy.

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