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madrick
rochester, MN
Posted on 10/29/2009 at 8:01:39 AM
Ooooh scarey...I think the true nightmare will be with the evil medical insurers, that are full of greed and could not care less about the American people!
madrick
rochester, MN
FrankWHaw
thorne
Rochester, MN
Posted on 10/29/2009 at 8:26:06 AM
Yes; this just In:
More of the same old, same Old sowing Doubt & spreading Fear of the Unknown.
Such tactics may work on many of the Well-insured; but unfortunately that still leaves 15% of our people Uninsured, w. millions more Underinsured, & upwards of 44K dying annually to pay That price. [See/Google recent Harvard study re the latter U.S. “Oops.“]
Reed wants us to believe that much-needed reform will be a “Nightmare on Main Street! when in fact the really scary stuff happens daily to too many of our fellow Americans.
Contact your elected officials today—before Halloween—to encourage them to stay stron in support of healthcare reform With a public option.
Atilla
Rochester, Mn
Posted on 10/29/2009 at 10:09:37 AM
When will Walz tell us that the bill includes public option AND a huuuuge medicaid expansion?
This politician from Wisconsin tells it straight to his constituents:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmoTtw9794A&feature;=player_embedded
When the costs of forced gov health care (which we will ALL END UP WITH soon enough if it passes) on top of the other state and federal taxes all kick in, how will frugal middle class people be able to afford their mortgages and other things they have been responsibly paying for????????
I would imagine a lot of us will have to sell our homes and lower our standard of living.
Which is after all, socialism.
madrick
rochester, MN
BillChris
topher
Olmsted County, MN
Posted on 10/29/2009 at 10:30:00 AM
What’s even scarier for the politicians if reform w/ public option doesn’t pass is that they lose a key political issue in the future.
Future campaign ad: “If you vote for my opponent, they will take your health care away.”
Funny, you can’t do that if you don’t hand over to the government your health care in the first place.
It’s been done with every entitlement so why will this be any different? Answer: It won’t.
Mrs_C
Rochester, MN
Posted on 10/29/2009 at 12:06:39 PM
WRONG!!!
Tim Walz is RIGHT about the Public Option.
Nor is the Government planning to TAKE OVER Health Care in this country. That would mean all hoapitals, clinics, Doctors, nurses, Lab Techs, Researchers, workers in the Health fields, down to the cafeteria and Hosekeepers, would be Federal Employees,
THAT“S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN! So quit with the LIES!!!
prohibiti
on_harms
Oronoco, MN
Posted on 10/29/2009 at 1:45:55 PM
Mrs. C I hope you are right. But Walz will not answer the simple question I have of him.
If the US government is willing (and they did) to hide research about a cancer cure (for over 25 years) then how can I or anyone else trust the government with my future healthcare. A lot of people are possibly dead becasue the research was not allowed by the DEA, NIDA, FDA.
I want a solution but the level of trust is not there and I am concerned that not only will the evil insurers do the same ole things but the government in their poor wisdom will make worse decisions and sometimes based on a boogeyman.
madrick
rochester, MN
Posted on 10/29/2009 at 1:49:35 PM
So please do let us know the cure?
BillChris
topher
Olmsted County, MN
Posted on 10/29/2009 at 2:08:15 PM
OK Mrs_C, you convinced me. I am totally sold on La Bamba care.
I’m sure they won’t use it as a political talking point like they “haven’t” done with social security and medicare.
(oh, wait - I guess they have)
Try not to seize up on us here. After all, I would really miss your keen feedback on such topics. It allows me to strengthen the reasons for my opposition.
prohibiti
on_harms
Oronoco, MN
Posted on 10/29/2009 at 2:17:30 PM
Madrick, The government sponsored a research project and the researcher found that cannabis cannabiods kill the cancer by not allowing blood vessels to form and affecting there immortality feature. 25 years later Dr. Guzman of Spain found the same result and was mad when he found out that the research had already been done. Spain folks also found out recently that the same chemicals killed protrate cancer. It has also been shown to kill other cancers and yes it acts as a pallative to the treatments from chemo.
Of course you probably do not believe me so look at the following site to see all the research in the health effects of cannabis.
BTW the feds still do not allow research that states a possible good outcome and the cannabis they do supply for research is very substandard/
http://medicalmarijuanapatient.com/forum/showthread.php?t=65
Also the media including the PB does not want to tell people either.
Cannabis is too much of a boogeyman and if you look Mr Anslinger lied about it in the early days to get it on the illegal list something about protects the white race. Look in the records for that BS.
Atilla
Rochester, Mn
Posted on 10/29/2009 at 2:20:28 PM
No wonder subscription rates at the Wall Street Journal are through the roof.
They get it right every time.
Read this by Daniel Henninger:
http://online.wsj.com/article/wonder_land.html
My favorite line -
“...the Democrats are pushing the biggest, fattest, one-size-fits all legislation since 1965. And THEY BRAG THIS WILL COMPLETE THE DREAM Franklin D. Roosevelt had in 1939.”
mdb325
Kasson, MN
Posted on 10/29/2009 at 4:23:11 PM
Here’s how I see this working. They provide a public option to ‘keep the insurance companies honest’. The cost to insured is less than what insurance companies can offer. Public option becomes the only option for most. Expenses to public option become enormous. Fatty doesn’t get new hips. Public is outraged about substandard care.
I think this idea needs a little more work than just politicians grabbing onto a tired idea and holding on like pitbulls.
Othelmo__
Rochester, MN
Posted on 10/29/2009 at 9:05:56 PM
Of course Walz voted for the anti-constitutional government option. As Nancy Pelosi’s “Yes, Ma’am” from Minnesota’s first congressional district, it was his obligation to help deliver an overwhelming victory to his liege.
Walz’s health care forums were a charade from the start. Contrary to his disingenuous protestations, he never intended to “listen to all sides of the issue” before deciding how to vote, as he claimed. Walz is no centrist. He was, is and always will be just another tool of the Democrat Party of Socialism.
madrick
rochester, MN
Posted on 10/30/2009 at 6:09:03 AM
You folks against public option are the MINORITY, so I guess Walz is listening and acting upon the MAJORITY! Your minority DOES NOT RULE!
Rochester
_Gadfly
Rochester, MN
Posted on 10/30/2009 at 6:32:37 AM
The “majority rules” attitude is precisely what permitted slavery to exist.
jerkyfilt
er
Rochester, MN
Posted on 10/30/2009 at 6:41:06 AM
I’m sure madrick screamed oppression when he wasn’t part of the majority. Now screaming majority rule. I think he just likes to scream.
Even though the polls are saying a majority want a public option, it doesn’t mean we can’t continue debate. Stifling a minority argument doesn’t seem to be the happy-nice, liberal, progressive way.
Atilla
Rochester, Mn
Posted on 10/30/2009 at 7:04:32 AM
The CNN poll is the only one favoring public option.
Though I’m sure unwatched Katie Couric and the ACORN “insightful” and unprofessional Charlie Gibbs will sway anything they can get their paws on too.
The CNN poll also says a majority are happy with 0bama and the direction of the country.
CNN is also looking for some bailout money.
CNN the NON BIASED (HAHAHAHA) whoo haa 0bama cheerleader network who had CHILDREN singing and dancing the “Public option song.”
Public option song and dance on CNN:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zETuulCDaxQ
Nope. No bias what so evah!
Rochester
_Gadfly
Rochester, MN
Posted on 10/30/2009 at 7:13:03 AM
It’s too bad that the Democrats don’t think past the next election. Sure, you can force Medicare on everyone to get the evil insurance companies and their immoral 2% profit out of the picture; but you can’t force healthcare providers to take the unreasonable reimbursements. A few will, and those overcrowded clinics will be rewarded with even more patients to juggle. What corners will be cut so they can sustain a “moral” profit? Meanwhile, the Mayo Clinic and many others have already signaled that they cannot afford any new Medicare/Medicaid patients. Guess who gets the best healthcare when the dust settles? That’s right, the people who can afford to pay private practitioners or pay for private supplemental insurance. And who is still going to the emergency room for primary care? Those here illegally. So exactly what will the Obama administration accomplish by spending $900 billion on so-called reform?
jared
kasson, mn
Posted on 10/30/2009 at 7:19:43 AM
Captain Bad Info Atilla back at it I see:
“The CNN poll is the only one favoring public option.”
Really?
I am not even going to list the long list of polls that dispute your error.
Including the new poll that shows 3/4 of MD’s support a public option.
Rochester
_Gadfly
Rochester, MN
Posted on 10/30/2009 at 7:25:08 AM
“Physicians for a National Health Program” admits the polls are misleading. Frankie-4000-votes, what say you about the legitimacy of polls?
http://pnhp.org/blog/2009/10/19/“public-option”-bait-and-switch-campaign-fools-pollsters/
What we do all agree on is that we need to get the lawyers out of the picture.
Atilla
Rochester, Mn
Posted on 10/30/2009 at 8:02:22 AM
jared, you left out a little something.
That’s 3/4 of all MASSACHUSETTS docs support “public option.”
Massachusetts, where their socialized medicine is bombing. BIG.
The Massachusetts “model” for health care reform is a FISCAL DISASTER that’s VERY SIMILAR to 0bamacare/Baucus.
But Massachusetts is ever ready to screw things up even more! Beacon Hill elites have a solution — a new payment system that will impose health care rationing:
Writing in the New England Journal of Medicine just last month in Sept, staff writer Dr. Robert Steinbrook said the state commission failed to address the choice issue head-on. Global payments would save money only if networks “LIMITED the volume of services, and DENIED certain requests from patients and providers,’’ among other measures, he wrote. “Since patient choice is such a sensitive issue, the commission waffled.’’
The commission waaaaffled.
But don’t woooorry, the politicians will figure this out later:
Sarah Iselin, head of the state Division of Health Care Finance and Policy and co-chair of the payment commission, said the panel understood the importance of addressing the effect of its recommendations on patient choice, but “felt these issues could be FIGURED OUT LATER BY A BOARD” that would be created to oversee the transition to a new payment system.
WHATWHATWHAT!!!!!!!!!!!
A bureaucratic “panel” is going to decide who does and doesn’t get health care because the state CAN’T AFFORD IT’S AMBITIOUS health care agenda!! !!!!!
Where have I heard this before?
hmmmm...death panel?
I guess Sarah Palin was dead on (no pun intended)
DEAD ON with her outline of “death panels.”
BillChris
topher
Olmsted County, MN
Posted on 10/30/2009 at 8:11:44 AM
Actually the only thing that should matter to Tim Walz are the opinions of his constituents.
Anyone know of any polling for the 1st Congressional district of MN? I haven’t seen one.
BillChris
topher
Olmsted County, MN
Posted on 10/30/2009 at 8:20:22 AM
....oh and that little scrap of paper known as the US Constitution.
Atilla
Rochester, Mn
Posted on 10/30/2009 at 8:42:04 AM
I just happened on Tim Walz on 1340 a.m.
Jeez, what a fast talking salesman.
He said he wants to pass this ASAP. He wants to pass it “today.”
Around 8:30, and after he blamed Booosh at least 4 times for doing nothing over 8 years, and then continually saying how brilliant and “engaged” 0bomba is, he said among other thing:
This country has the WORST medical care/outcome of any country.
The most expensive.
Then he said
We have 50 million uninsured.
FIFTY MILLION UNINSURED!!!
Fifty million.
He sounds just like a fast talking (not my first choice of wording) salesman of anything broken.
That number is actually 13-14 million not FIFTY.
Yup. Reeeal honest politician there that Tim Walz.
Atilla
Rochester, Mn
Posted on 10/30/2009 at 9:20:20 AM
I found the bill:
http://docs.house.gov/rules/health/111_ahcaa.pdf
The Heritage Foundation,
http://blog.heritage.org/2009/10/29/the-house-health-care-bill-the-mandates/
provides the bottom line:
..“everybody will pay more, and a new appointed bureaucrat will make your health care choices for you.”
jared
kasson, mn
Posted on 10/30/2009 at 10:06:39 AM
Care to amend your earlier statement about the public option and polls Atilla?
Or are we dancing along to other falsehoods?
singlepar
ent
Rochester, MN
Posted on 10/30/2009 at 11:07:47 AM
Public opinion poll from Rasmussen indicates that 45% approve of the health care reform proposed. Checking my math that would be a MINORITY, not a MAJORITY of Americans.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/september_2009/health_care_reform
singlepar
ent
Rochester, MN
Posted on 10/30/2009 at 11:16:08 AM
By the way, Rasmussen was the #1 poll for accuracy in the 2008 Presidential Election, so please don’t argue their credibility or bias.
Birddog
rochester, mn
Posted on 10/30/2009 at 11:21:56 AM
“Yup. Reeeal honest politician there that Tim Walz.”
Timmy’s just saying what Nancy tells him to say. The democrat party pulls his strings and he speaks.
BillChris
topher
Olmsted County, MN
Posted on 10/30/2009 at 11:27:51 AM
Since we’re slinging polls, here is my contribution.
http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article.aspx?id=506199
I still wonder how you save money by spending $900B.
irishman
Rochester, Mn
Posted on 10/30/2009 at 11:29:09 AM
Good info singleparent. The longer people have to understand the 1500 pages the less they like it and the lower the support.
This explains why Obama pushes for passage without the legislators reading the bills, not posting online for fear the public may read the bills and sending out the minions to distort and lie about the contents in order to confuse the bobbleheads even more.
A really lousy way to run a country isn’t it?
Birddog
rochester, mn
Posted on 10/30/2009 at 11:40:03 AM
Frank:
”..& upwards of 44K dying annually to pay That price.”
Do you really care about those 44k peole who are dying? Do you really care about human life?
Oh wait...the democrat party supports the destruction of more than 4,000 human lives EVERY DAY.
jared
kasson, mn
Posted on 10/30/2009 at 11:53:53 AM
Public option in the polls was the question. Which every poll shows a majority.
Also, you may want to post the disapproval numbers are much lower than approval numbers.
Uh oh
Facts matter.
singlepar
ent
Rochester, MN
Posted on 10/30/2009 at 12:16:58 PM
Jared please! 23% strongly favor and 40% strongly oppose the health insurance reform bill.
I hate to cut and paste, but....
“The first question finds that 46% favor the creation of a government-sponsored non-profit health insurance option that people could choose instead of a private health insurance plan. Thirty-seven percent (37%) are opposed.
The second question asked about the creation of a public option if it encouraged companies to drop private health insurance coverage for their workers. Given that possibility, support for the public option falls to 29%, and opposition rises to 58%.”
Trust me, this WILL encourage companies to drop their insurance. 8% payroll penalty versus 18-22% cost of insurance for every salary dollar. In addition, the cost for private insurance will increase at a significantly increased rate according to the CBO, Price Waterhouse, and every other study you will read. Companies will bail by the thousands and the government will get a much bigger bill than they expect, and much more power than we expect.
Birddog
rochester, mn
Posted on 10/30/2009 at 12:23:57 PM
Well put singleparent, however I believe jared only believes the so-called “facts” that the democrat party tells him.
BillChris
topher
Olmsted County, MN
Posted on 10/30/2009 at 12:38:20 PM
True the public option probably is the holy grail for many Americans.
Without detail on what it would cost, who would be covered, what services would be offered, etc, heck, what’s not to like?
The reality of how to implement a public option effectively has eluded the prototypes thus far.
Patient quotas, price controls, limited access and black markets have plagued these in existence.
Instead of being creative, we’re taking the beaten path that has numerous known shortcomings.
jared
kasson, mn
Posted on 10/30/2009 at 1:38:00 PM
I would suggest you re-read the poll.
Remove the public option and support falls.
Facts do matter.
jared
kasson, mn
Posted on 10/30/2009 at 1:39:19 PM
Or check the WSJ poll
NBC poll, or any other poll.
singlepar
ent
Rochester, MN
Posted on 10/30/2009 at 1:55:02 PM
Jared, just did. NBC/Wall Street Journal report from October 22-25:
http://www.pollingreport.com/health.htm
“From what you have heard about Barack Obama’s health care plan, do you think his plan is a good idea or a bad idea? If you do not have an opinion either way, please just say so.”
Good Idea - 38%
Bad Idea - 42%
No Opinion - 16%
Unsure - 4%
From USA Today/Gallup, October 16-19
“As you may know, the White House and congressional Democrats are moving toward passing a health care bill, though the details of the final bill are still being worked out. Based on what you know or have read, do you think you will support the final health care bill, does it depend on some of the decisions that have yet to be made about the bill, or do you think you will oppose the final health care bill?”
Support - 25%
Depends - 33%
Oppose - 33%
Unsure - 3%
So Jared, if your argument is that over 50% of the 38% or 25% who ACTUALL SUPPORT the bill want a public option, then I’d probably agree with you.
Atilla
Rochester, Mn
Posted on 10/30/2009 at 2:53:32 PM
jared is only following his orders from ACORN/0bama trained Alinsky.
Rule #4. Ridicule and discredit your opponents.
0bama gives orders, democrats march and “get in their face.”
Since Sarah Palin is such a threat, the DNC is now urging supporters to attack private citizen Sarah Palin on Facebook:
http://www.democrats.org/page/content/callemoutpalin
and:
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1009/DNC_attacks_Palin_lies.html
“Barack Hussein 0bama mmm, mmm, mmm”
mdb325
Kasson, MN
Posted on 10/30/2009 at 3:41:21 PM
Atilla, what conservative truly gives a rat’s behind what Palin, Bachman, Rush, etc think? Do the Democrats keep bringing up those dimwits just to discredit any type of conservative value? Have they ever listened to their actual party leaders? Those who actually hold a political office.
jared
kasson, mn
Posted on 10/30/2009 at 4:46:06 PM
Sorry singleparent....
Support for public option
48%
oppose public option
42%
Thank you and good day!
The other
side
Eyota, mn
Posted on 10/30/2009 at 10:37:46 PM
Just met with a fortune 50 company this week that was planning quit a large expansion which would create hundreds of jobs in MN. They called me and said it is put on hold for now because of the possibility of an increase in costs due to the health reform. Guess what, they may move the jobs to Mexico. Good job Dems!
jared
kasson, mn
Posted on 10/31/2009 at 6:46:32 AM
Really?
Which company?
Businesses face increased costs if there is no reform.
jzee
rochester, MN
Posted on 10/31/2009 at 6:52:12 AM
“Atilla, what conservative truly gives a rat’s behind what Palin, Bachman, Rush, etc think?”
Actually it appears that both parties have been infiltrated and subdued by hostile elements.
As proof, look at the candidates offered. To a person they are manipulable and expendable. Not a one is admirable.
Othelmo__
Rochester, MN
Posted on 10/31/2009 at 9:01:08 AM
Even a poll that includes mostly democrats shows a pretty even split between those who favor and those who oppose the government “option.”
jared
kasson, mn
Othelmo__
Rochester, MN
Posted on 10/31/2009 at 11:40:32 AM
More feces from the leftist intelligentsia.
jared
kasson, mn
Posted on 10/31/2009 at 2:33:18 PM
Facts matter Othelmo....
More support a public option than oppose it.
Good Luck!
Othelmo__
Rochester, MN
Posted on 10/31/2009 at 3:13:26 PM
Truth and intellecually honesty matter. The Democract Party of Socialized Everything has an incalculable deficit of both.
The government option is poison to the American economy and way of life. No schewed poll can change that fact.
jared
kasson, mn
Posted on 10/31/2009 at 4:27:48 PM
Here you go Othelmo-
Support for public option
48%
oppose public option
42%
Look it up yourself.
Facts matter.
Calling me names does not make your false statements true!
Othelmo__
Rochester, MN
Posted on 10/31/2009 at 5:13:00 PM
The only way to show marginal support for the government option is by sampling more democrats that Republicans.
What is truly notable is that even when they cheat, the Democrat Party of Intellectual Dishonesty only manages “support” for the socialist option barely over the margin of error. Pathetic.
jared
kasson, mn
Othelmo__
Rochester, MN
Posted on 10/31/2009 at 6:18:15 PM
And that’s the “best” the Democrat Party have to offer.
jared
kasson, mn
Posted on 10/31/2009 at 7:33:20 PM
The truth....
Yes..
And you?
not so much.
Othelmo__
Rochester, MN
jared
kasson, mn
Posted on 11/1/2009 at 7:31:31 AM
I can cite more polls supporting my statments.
Can you othelmo?
I guess not.
Othelmo__
Rochester, MN
Posted on 11/2/2009 at 8:10:44 PM
How pathetic. As if liberals really would have to work hard to find polls favorable to Obama. Geniuses all.
Othelmo__
Rochester, MN
Posted on 11/2/2009 at 8:37:00 PM
The Democrat Party’s Gangster Government:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thR-lVuztIY&feature;=player_embedded
Obama-Pelosi-Walz Health Care Nightmare: “The Crown Jewel of Socialism.” Stop it NOW!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLDzKfsUzy0&feature;=player_embedded
apollo13
rochester, mn
Posted on 11/3/2009 at 8:03:15 PM
This nightmare is starting to end.
People are starting to wake up and smell the coffee.
Virginia has just elected a republican governor.
Can’t wait for 2010!
