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Patriot
Mazeppa, MN
irishman
Rochester, Mn
Posted on 11/2/2009 at 11:18:48 AM
Good letter Mr Ostrom. I am sure our serially uninformed democrat posters will disagree, but hey, 3 more years and this is but a passing nightmare.
...“Obama arrogantly calls alternative ideas “false choices.” Obama said he favors inclusion, bipartisanship, transparency and debate. More promises to keep.”...
Instead of promise to keep, the reality has become the promise to break. I’m not sure any president has ever lied to his constituents in the volume obama did and not kept a single one. But then his voting base really is unsophisticated and color and celebrity were more important than substance.
Other than the philisophical differences producing the violence of the Civil War, can anyone name a time in our history when a president has generated more division politically, racially, economically, or in any context you can name?
Mrs_C
Rochester, MN
Posted on 11/2/2009 at 11:55:31 AM
Are diatribes all Tom Ostrom can write? He truly must believe George Bush was genius at playing President for 8 years!
2)Would John McCain send in more American troops in Afghanistan without first knowing if Karzi was willing to clean his own house and be a full partner in stabilizing Afghanistan?
2) Afghanistan is not Iraq! Obama did credit Bush for the surge in destabilizing the Sunni and Shiite factions.
3)The Health Insurance Companies, Wall Street, major Corporations, have enjoyed many years of Deregulation and Tax loopholes, thanks in part to Republican controlled majorities in Congress from 1995 to 2007. Greed was the outcome from all of that.
4) As for FOX News, it’s a cable channel that promotes the Right Wing Conservative agenda. Fair and Balanced it no longer is. Those appearing will not be challenged, as they are on CNN and MSNBC. That’s why they choose FOX.
5) George Bush left this country in a WORSE MESS for Obama than Clinton did for Bush. Seems as though Tom Ostrom slept through those years.
Tom Ostrom and his following can demonize Obama Democrats in general all they want. I shudder to think what condition this country would be in if John McCain had won the White House.
FrankWHaw
thorne
Rochester, MN
Posted on 11/2/2009 at 11:57:48 AM
Other than the last time our neighborly neoCons put turgid fingers to pulsing keyboards—and ignoring the rather pronounced constitutional threats posed but 35 years ago by one Richard M. Nixon—can any of our readers out there recall a time when a mere firt-term, first-year president (or rather minor philisophical differences among the electorate) generated more division politically, racially, economically, or in any context you can name?? But I/we digress.
In 224 words, Tom O. did the best he could to Unfairly trash Our 9-month president, and defend His (Unbalanced) “faux news” network.
I actually agree with him that Obama is wrong—and wasting his/our time—by drawing attention to and making whining martyrs of those propaganda goons.
So anyway, in my book, Mr. Ostrom wins today’s GOP “Paul Harvey/Karl Rove Award” for sly innuendo.
In his 135-word comment (online file# 2,686) that followed Tom’s LTE, the good- natured “Irishman” did his best to reinforce the impression many now have that the Republican “base” is located somewhere just beyond the 400-yard foul marker out in right field.
Next batter!
irishman
Rochester, Mn
Posted on 11/2/2009 at 12:12:36 PM
frank: I am still am unable to come up with a more devisive, less partisan, less inclusive president responsible for widening every single divide and aspect of American culture. By your post I would say you were at a loss also. It’s OK, we all know it’s true. It is not like there is a secret here.
As to my 2,686th post. Thank-you for noticing. Often I feel responsible to comment many times when fellow posters engage in a dialoge with me. I really enjoy many of the posters and look forward to their snappy repartee.
Pirate77
Rochester, MN
Posted on 11/2/2009 at 12:22:38 PM
Fox News really isn’t much different than MSNBC, except that Keith Olbermann has far more hate in his heart than Hannity or Beck, both of whom are loud and fairly non-objective. Yes, MSNBC has a one conservative fella on the air, but one man doesn’t qualify as “balance” as many from the anti-Fox News (and pro “Fairness” Doctrine) camp will tell you (see Colmes, Alan). Sounds like more liberal cake to me, but I also digress.
Our librarian friend, a former Tigers fan, should know that there aren’t any “foul” poles 400 feet from home plate, but let’s not let trivial facts get in the way of an over-thought attempt at a cutesie analogy.
irishman
Rochester, Mn
Posted on 11/2/2009 at 12:32:20 PM
Pirate77: I think the “400-yard foul marker out in right field” is similar to the 4,000 people who voted with frank in the on-line secret union ballot poll.
Mrs_C: I think Mr Ostrom’s article was dealing with the current issues affecting the US. Not the diversions of the past to cloud the present. As I am periodically reminded, Focus, Focus, Focus!!!
Birddog
rochester, mn
Posted on 11/2/2009 at 12:38:52 PM
“is located somewhere just beyond the 400-yard foul marker out in right field.”
400 yards??? Never played sports did you?
charlie
Rochester, Mn
Posted on 11/2/2009 at 12:53:48 PM
Not positive, but I don’t think there are many 1,200 foot outfields. The seats in an outfield that’s 1,200 feet away from home plate would really suck.
Mrs_C
Rochester, MN
Posted on 11/2/2009 at 1:12:13 PM
One thing I paid attention to in History class in high School and College, Irishman, was that the past does indeed influence the present.
What did you learn???
Pirate77
Rochester, MN
Posted on 11/2/2009 at 1:16:17 PM
Frank did write 400 yards, didn’t he. I was so underwhelmed with the rest of his post that I completely missed that. To his defense, I’m sure there’s a ballpark in one of the 58 states with ridiculously long fences from home plate.
Pirate77
Rochester, MN
Mrs_C
Rochester, MN
Posted on 11/2/2009 at 1:29:00 PM
The inference of the statement from Republicans leadership that as Senator Obama, he had voted “present” in order to avoid taking a stand on an issue.
Did Senator Obama actually vote “present” on several occasions? Absolutely.
The “present” vote is in effect a “no” vote, but it is a “no” vote that sends a message. The “present” vote is used by lawmakers of both parties in situations where they agree with a bill in
spirit, however the current version of the bill is not good enough to vote “yes;” either it is too expensive, it is inadequately planned or funded, or it has riders or earmarks attached that are entirely inappropriate.
A “present” vote is taking a stand. In fact the “present” vote says more than if the Senator had just voted “no.”
irishman
Rochester, Mn
Posted on 11/2/2009 at 1:36:10 PM
Mrs_C: One thing I learned in school at Northern Colorado was that even on a football scholarship I still had to show up for class once in a while in between the beer and practice.
Yes, present circumstances may be influenced by the past but using the past as an excuse for poor performance in the present is a lousy excuse for a president and shows a character weakness.
He knew the challenges going in, if they are too much for him then he should move back to Chicago and get a job at the car wash down the street.
Pirate77
Rochester, MN
Mrs_C
Rochester, MN
Posted on 11/2/2009 at 1:46:19 PM
If Obama sends in the troop numbers that General McCrystal wants without careful study of the goals, more Americans die, Obama then will be seen as hasty.
Had the Stimulus Package not gone through, this country would have gone into a Depression unlike that of the 30’s with even more people out of work than there is now. More Tax Cuts and Tax Breaks for big profit corporations does not stimulate an Economy. That just pads the bottom line.
Had there not been any Federal monies infused into the Auto industry, EVERY GM and Chrysler dealership in the country would have closed, thus throwing businesses and communities connected to the Auto Industry into a serious flux.
No matter what President Obama does, he will be attacked.
susieq78
rochester, mn
Posted on 11/2/2009 at 1:52:42 PM
Irishman I feel enlightened to know how you spent your college years. Alcohol stays in your system for 3 days, so just because you took a break, doesn’t really mean your body and brain were at their best functioning points. And I would like to say that I am very very proud to be American at this time, it feels 100% better now that Barack Obama is our president. It is such a relief to have George Bush out of office, there isn’t a thing that Obama could do that would change my mind, because I know he has best intentions for America in his heart. It is much better than having someone in office whose values reflect only a self serving way of life. I feel that there is more UNITY than there was before, the only people who feel division are those who refuse to think and participate in a bipartisan manner.
jared
kasson, mn
Posted on 11/2/2009 at 1:54:25 PM
You have got to be kidding me....
Is he on the paid staff?
Yes, we need a decider?
Let’s invade another country with half baked incorrect intelligence.
Brilliant idea.
or just maybe we should make a wise and well thought out decision Tom?
Especially with American lives at risk?
PS the propaganda is getting old.
irishman
Rochester, Mn
Posted on 11/2/2009 at 2:00:01 PM
Mrs_C: And share with us which community organizer is qualified to second guess and modify the numbers submitted by the handpicked general who was introduced as essentially the Afghan savior with much fanfare and publicity.
McKrystal was given the goal, he submitted his report in August of which the president knew the conclusions well before the written submissions and now he is still “dithering”, waiting for the political winds to blow or else waiting for directions from Putin to tell him what to do.
Is it any wonder the allies are befuddled waiting for some sort of elementary decision to be made?
jared
kasson, mn
Posted on 11/2/2009 at 2:03:50 PM
I assume you mean General McCrystal?
So he shouldn’t gather all the facts and different opinions?
Right?
Brilliant.
irishman
Rochester, Mn
Posted on 11/2/2009 at 2:10:10 PM
jared: How long does it take to gather all of the facts which he obviously already had when he defined a just war? Plus he has the facts as drawn in pictures for him to understand by the good general.
He cannot keep voting present and hiding behind the other senators. At some point he has to make a decision. That’s his job.
I mean let’s get serious, he cannot wait untill after the nobel gimmick to announce a troop increase can he??? We won’t have an ally we could invite to the next 4th of July free party if he keeps stalling.
Pirate77
Rochester, MN
Posted on 11/2/2009 at 2:15:28 PM
Mrs_C, how can you defend your statement about the Auto industry when Ford posted a record $1 billion profit? They received no Federal monies, with the exception of the failure that was Cash for Clunkers.
One thing is sure from some of the last several posts… the “Obama is way better than Jesus” worship continues. How sad will these people be in 2012 when Obama isn’t president anymore?
irishman
Rochester, Mn
Posted on 11/2/2009 at 2:16:04 PM
jared wrote:...“I assume you mean General McCrystal”...
No, I actually meant General McChrystal.
Sometimes posting with you jared is like shooting “DEAD” fish in a barrel.
Mrs_C
Rochester, MN
Posted on 11/2/2009 at 2:19:12 PM
It’s just not that easy, Irishman. If it was, it would have been done already.
Dick Cheney can say “dither” all he wants.
How hard did he push Bush on Afghanistan the last 2 years? One can say both Bush and Cheney “dithered” regarding Afghanistan.
Mrs_C
Rochester, MN
Posted on 11/2/2009 at 2:25:05 PM
How can I defend my statement? Just like Bush can defend his by asking Congress for $750 BILLION to bail out Wall Street.
While I did not agree with that, the Economic repercussions would have been cataclysmic here and throughout the world.
Pirate77
Rochester, MN
Posted on 11/2/2009 at 2:28:52 PM
And the impending 14-digit deficit was worth that? I don’t think so. There’s something to be said for the notion of spending money to make money, and then there’s the fiscal fool who hates Fox News.
jared
kasson, mn
Posted on 11/2/2009 at 2:58:47 PM
Posting with me?
Jeez, ok creepy guy.
No, Irish, I don’t think he should rush decisions of such importance, American lives are at risk.
No more Bush, no brain, moronic decisions.
Thought, reflection, counsel= good decisions.
werefed
Rochester, MN
Posted on 11/2/2009 at 4:12:55 PM
Everyone please stop the criticism of President Obama. I think you forget how good of a speaker he is. How can we be critical of someone who is such an eloquent speaker?
Forget the facts here people, we need to concentrate on the messages. Who cares about reality?
How many of you have been nominated for a prize after being in your job for less than two weeks? Think of the potential!
Please, go along with the philosophy of this administration...Why work hard for things when they can just be given to you.
jasper
Zumbro Falls, Mn
Posted on 11/2/2009 at 4:37:35 PM
Mr. Ostrom’s month-long analogous pus-filled pimple filling up once again and popping.
benefits no one including himself..
... have to credit his loyalty and adoration to George W though…
Birddog
rochester, mn
Posted on 11/2/2009 at 5:04:19 PM
jasper:
“Mr. Ostrom’s month-long analogous pus-filled pimple filling up once again and popping.”
No that sounds loke something obamma of the democrat party would say. Have you been reading his teleprompter? Pretty childish.
jasper
Zumbro Falls, Mn
Posted on 11/2/2009 at 5:25:38 PM
First Bird, it’s hypocrisy by those (you?) who defended respect for the office of the Presidency when Bush’s failings became obvious…
ie.reread your post
Second, failing to restore civil liberties, which Bush undermined, is one surprise for me…
speculate it remains partly for safety of admin and advice of intell agencies…
partly due to radical hate speech by right-wingers emboldened by some combination of transparency, jealousy, racism, and the fact these are tough times with tough decisions and tradeoffs…
Patriot
Mazeppa, MN
Posted on 11/2/2009 at 5:41:49 PM
Amazing, 10 months in office and the leftists only defense is “It’s all George Bushes fault.” funny!
Birddog
rochester, mn
Posted on 11/2/2009 at 5:45:15 PM
Mrs_C:
“No matter what President Obama does, he will be attacked.”
And anyone that disagrees with him will be called a racist. See Jaspers post.
He needs to be called out on many things and if all the democrat party members can do is call the opponents racists, then you have lost all credibility.
BillChris
topher
Olmsted County, MN
Posted on 11/2/2009 at 5:56:59 PM
Sure - Obama will restore my civil liberties - except he hasn’t. At least he’s fully indebted all of our children to Uncle Sam. They have the liberty of knowing they don’t own their lives - the governmnet does.
Some of these Obamamites (of course this doesn’t apply to any the PB commenters - that would be uncivil) really do suffer from diarhea of the mouth and constipation of the brain.
If Obama had (GOP) behind his name they would be in full screaming chimp mode at his actions. Whew! We wouldn’t want that.
BillChris
topher
Olmsted County, MN
Othelmo__
Rochester, MN
Posted on 11/2/2009 at 8:01:15 PM
Tom’s da bomb(!) as evidenced by the pathetic responses from the usual suspects. When faced with irrefutable evidence of Obama’s incompetence, the rabid left responds thus:
“... George Bush was genius at playing President for 8 years!”
“George Bush left this country in a WORSE MESS for Obama than Clinton did for Bush.”
“the good- natured “Irishman” did his best to reinforce the impression many now have that the Republican “base” is located somewhere just beyond the 400-yard foul marker out in right field.”
“A ‘present’ vote is taking a stand.”
“It is such a relief to have George Bush out of office, there isn’t a thing that Obama could do that would change my mind, because I know he has best intentions for America in his heart.”
“One can say both Bush and Cheney ‘dithered’ regarding Afghanistan.”
“No more Bush, no brain, moronic decisions.”
“Mr. Ostrom’s month-long analogous pus-filled pimple filling up once again and popping.”
“radical hate speech by right-wingers emboldened by some combination of transparency, jealousy, racism, and the fact these are tough times with tough decisions and tradeoffs… “
Rhetorical geniuses all.
Othelmo__
Rochester, MN
Posted on 11/2/2009 at 8:07:51 PM
“It is such a relief to have George Bush out of office, there isn’t a thing that Obama could do that would change my mind, because I know he has best intentions for America in his heart.”
Mmmm, Mmmm, Mmmm
Barack Hussein Obama
susieq78
rochester, mn
Posted on 11/2/2009 at 8:50:02 PM
Do you have to be so racist? I guess some people don’t even have to say it out loud.
Atilla
Rochester, Mn
Posted on 11/2/2009 at 8:51:41 PM
susieq78 -
”...there isn’t a thing that 0bama could do that would change my mind, because I know he has best intentions for America in his heart.”
What has 0bama done for you thus far susieq78 that has shown you 0bama has “the best intentions for America in his heart?”
Does paling around with, and inviting to the White House numerous times Bill Ayers, the noted America hater qualify as your “good intentions” 0boma has for America?
susieq78 -
“I feel that there is more UNITY than there was before,”
How so susieq78?
Would you call 0bama a unifier for attacking FOX news or anyone that disagrees with him by calling them “racist” or calling them “teabaggers” and “America haters?”
Where’s the unity? Where’s the loooove?
Where’s the aisle 0bama claims to “reach across?”
Let’s hear your examples of 0boma’s “good intentions for America” and give some good examples of 0boma’s “unity.”
Othelmo__
Rochester, MN
Posted on 11/2/2009 at 8:57:53 PM
“Does paling around with, and inviting to the White House numerous times Bill Ayers, the noted America hater qualify as your ‘good intentions’ 0boma has for America?”
Didn’t Obama say that he barely knew domestic terrorist Bill Ayres? Did they strike a friendship after Barack was elected?
Othelmo__
Rochester, MN
Posted on 11/2/2009 at 9:03:15 PM
“Do you have to be so racist?”
Mmmm, Mmmm, Mmmm
Barack Hussein Obama
susieq78
rochester, mn
Posted on 11/2/2009 at 9:18:57 PM
There is an article on here about the NAACP, I see it is a very much needed group here in Rochester.
Atilla
Rochester, Mn
Posted on 11/2/2009 at 9:35:07 PM
susuieq78 -
“he has best intentions for America in his heart.”
Would that include 0bama’s pastor and mentor Rev. Jeremiah Wright’s hate for America?
http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/2009/11/new-video-surfaces-showing-obamas-pastor-mentor-praising-marxism/
Othelmo__
Rochester, MN
Posted on 11/2/2009 at 9:39:04 PM
How are our jobless economy, the coming collapse of the dollar, a $1.4 TRILLION dollar defict and a socialized health care nightmare reflective of Obama’s “best intentions for America in his heart?”
jasper
Zumbro Falls, Mn
Posted on 11/2/2009 at 10:03:01 PM
Be forewarned:
Attila and Othelmo_,
representing local GOP,
use deception to
manipulate whatever audience
actually reads their rhetoric.
Per this:
Guests of Whitehouse
jared
kasson, mn
Posted on 11/2/2009 at 10:18:44 PM
Will Othelmo admit to his false statement?
Will Patriot locate Obama’s Kenya birth certificate?
Will these people stop wondering why no one takes them seriously?
Stay tuned.......
Othelmo__
Rochester, MN
Posted on 11/2/2009 at 10:19:45 PM
“deception to
manipulate whatever audience
actually reads their rhetoric.”
I am not now nor have I ever been a member of the Democrat Party of Leftist Propaganda.
jared
kasson, mn
Posted on 11/2/2009 at 10:36:09 PM
And your false statement about ayers visiting the white house?
No retraction?
hmmmm
Sketchy.
merv
Rochester, MN
Posted on 11/2/2009 at 10:47:28 PM
Yeah, just Nonsensical Propaganda from Othelmo. Seriously, when he says something meaningful on here, it will be a first.
Othelmo__
Rochester, MN
Posted on 11/2/2009 at 10:59:39 PM
It’s take the focus away from the miserable failure that is Obama.
Let’s the topic from Obama’s incompetence and failure to deliver on his socialist promises to BushCheneyPalinMcCainOthelmoAtilla. Anything to detract, deflect and defame.
Atilla
Rochester, Mn
Posted on 11/3/2009 at 8:54:47 AM
Hmmm, nothin from susieq78 huh?
Do you believe susieq78 0bama has America’s best interest at heart when he appoints 39 and counting czars?
Czars such as the “pay czar?” P-B0 has authority to name as many presidential advisers aka “czars” as he wishes, and then of course pays them within our tax dollars forked over to him by Congress.
HOWEVER, presidential advisers have NO executive power at all and 0bomba has NO authority at all to create executive power out of whole cloth merely by naming some presidential adviser.
But he did.
Had 0bomba ever attended a constitutional law class, he might have learned this!
Pirate77
Rochester, MN
Posted on 11/3/2009 at 9:06:18 AM
Mmmm, mmmm, mmmm....
Barack Hussein Obama
What’s racist about that, susieq78? If Obama had the same policies but was a white guy from some basement in Kasson, I would feel the same! ;)
I’m so glad I don’t have to hope for Obama’s failure anymore since it is well documented and well underway. If America implodes, which it might, it won’t be the fault of those who stand against the 44th. It will be the fault of the 44th and his asinine policies and lack of leadership.
merv
Rochester, MN
Posted on 11/3/2009 at 9:35:10 AM
It’s not racist. It’s just infantile.
Same as saying the country is going to implode, but it won’t be your fault. Did you step up and say ‘My Bad’ last fall? Doubt it.
Pirate77
Rochester, MN
Posted on 11/3/2009 at 9:42:23 AM
Why would I have said “my bad” last fall? I didn’t vote for mmmm, mmmm, mmmm. Besides, the anti-Obama camp didn’t coin that slogan. It was thrust upon highly impressionable children by teachers who care more about their political agendas than actually teaching. Infantile behavior is a hallmark of the left (see: inauguration, nah nah nah nah).
reader008
Chatfield, Mn
Posted on 11/3/2009 at 9:53:06 AM
We know that Obama has been and remains surrounded by life-long radicals, professed communists and anti-capitalists, some of whom he has even appointed as czars in his administration. Thirty six czars, to date. But is it Obama who is picking the czars or is it the czars who are running the show and propping up Obama as their front man?
How do 1100 page documents get developed and put out in such short order? Who is writing all these proposals? Does it not seem that something is just not quite right here? Forget about the specifics of the policies for the moment. Have you seen this level of activity in the first few months of any other administration in your lifetime? Does Obama seem like the kind of person that could manage this level of activity in so short a time? Too much does not make sense here.
So, slowly but surely, I am becoming convinced that it is not Barack Obama who is running the show. The White House has been captured by a group of people who are using Barack Obama as their front man. He is nothing but an articulate but empty suit. We have to start looking behind the curtains to find out who is really controlling the “great and powerful Obama”.
ChadSexin
gton
rochester, mn
Posted on 11/3/2009 at 9:57:05 AM
Othelmo,
I noticed something;
Posted on 11/2/2009 at 10:59:39 PM
That was the time of your last post. Did you take a day off to post on the P-B? I wouldn’t want you using MY tax dollers to play around on the internet. Pssst...don’t let you neo-con friends know.
theblueca
t
Roch, MN
Posted on 11/3/2009 at 10:16:31 AM
Oh oh. Obama Presidential supporter and confidante, and one of the worlds wealthiest people, Warren Buffet, just bought Burlington Northern Railroad. Claims to see economic recovery around the corner. But does Buffet know about Obama’s plans for socialism? Does Buffet know that Obama hangs out with commies and radicals? Does Buffet know who secretly controls Obama. hmmmm.
FrankWHaw
thorne
Rochester, MN
Posted on 11/3/2009 at 11:35:10 AM
Don’t bother asking them if they want “Whine with their cheese;” since they’re still slicing the libertarian onion to perpetuate a Cry in their beer.
I liked Frank Rich’s commentary in last Sunday’s Times, which—in reference to recent Republican “purge” tendencies in an upstate New York election—included the following:
“The more rightists who win G.O.P. primaries, the greater the Democrats’ prospects next year. But the electoral math is less interesting than the pathology of this movement.
Its antecedent can be found in the early 1960s, when radical-right hysteria carried some of the same traits we’re seeing now: seething rage, fear of minorities, maniacal contempt for government, and a Freudian tendency to mimic the excesses of political foes.
Writing in 1964 of that era’s equivalent to today’s tea party cells, the historian Richard Hofstadter observed that the John Birch Society’s “ruthless prosecution” of its own ideological war often mimicked the tactics of its Communist enemies.
The same could be said of Beck, Palin and their acolytes. Though they constantly liken the president to various totalitarian dictators, it is they who are re-enacting Stalinism in full purge mode. They drove out Arlen Specter, and now want to “melt Snowe” (as the blog Red State put it).
The same Republicans who once deplored Democrats for refusing to let an anti-abortion dissident, Gov. Robert Casey of Pennsylvania, speak at the 1992 Clinton convention now routinely banish any dissenters in their own camp…
[Their] note of self-martyrdom was sounded in a much-noticed recent column by the former Nixon hand Pat Buchanan. Ol’ Pat sounded like the dispossessed antebellum grandees in “Gone With the Wind” when lamenting the plight of white working-class voters.
“America was once their country,” he wrote. “They sense they are losing it. And they are right.”
They are right. That America was lost years ago, and no national political party can thrive if it lives in denial of that truth. The right still may want to believe, as Palin said during the campaign, that Alaska, with its small black and Hispanic populations, is a “microcosm of America.” ..But most Americans like their country’s 21st-century profile.
That changing complexion is part of why the McCain-Palin ticket lost every demographic group by large margins in 2008 except white senior citizens and the dwindling fifth of America that’s still rural.
It’s also why the G.O.P. has been in a nosedive since the inauguration, whatever Obama’s ups and downs.”
singlepar
ent
Rochester, MN
Posted on 11/3/2009 at 11:38:04 AM
Everyone who has graduated from Command and General Staff College please raise your hand.... Anyone???
Anyone who has served on a General Officer staff please raise your hand.... Anyone???
Anyone who has served on the ground in the Middle East please raise your hand… Anyone???
If the Commanding General of CJTF-76...who was hand picked for the job...who has a large staff of highly trained and experienced personnel...who has done a detailed decision making process to develop a plan to achieve the operational objectives necessary to achieve the strategic outcomes directed the the POTUS...if he has asked for the troups you can darn well bet everything you own on the fact that he needs them.
As officers and soldiers, they do not take any of these decisions lightly. They agonize over sending any men or women into harms way. Soldiers are the last ones who want to go to war. After all, they are the ones with the most to lose.
Politicians, make these decisions based on the latest popularity poll. Their support or opposition is driven by the polls and their party. Obama has had all of the information necessary to make this decsion. He’s had it for months. It’s a simple decision, yes or no. If it’s yes, then execute. If it’s no, then change your stragegic objectives to support your operational capabilities.
Forget Bush. Forget Chenney. Barack Obama is the POTUS. This is his war. This is his problem. It came with the job. Now, quit being a politician and make a decision already!!!!!
jared
kasson, mn
Posted on 11/3/2009 at 12:11:03 PM
Very interesting comment.
So, the military commanders are never wrong?
Right?
Lol....
Keep spewing rhetoric, this needs to be thought about(ie using brain power, a huge departure from last Potus).
No more, unthinking, I’m the decider, half baked intelligence, war profiteering, baloney…
singlepar
ent
Rochester, MN
Posted on 11/3/2009 at 2:41:32 PM
BS. You mean polled, study grouped, run by the DNC, and by the Nobel committee. Nothing like a Commander in Chief who can’t command.
dimpleche
eks
Rochester, MN
Posted on 11/3/2009 at 2:59:04 PM
T. Ostrom:
“Dunn was outed by Fox for her stated admiration of Mao Tse Tung, the Communist killer of millions of opponents.”
Mr. Ostrom has sunken to a level where he has made it his agenda to convince us of the White House communications czar’s desire for genocide in america. (sigh)
“And White House Science czar Dr. John Holdren said broadcasters should be forced to cover the radical Left’s environmental agenda.”
That’s IT. They ARE trying to destroy america!!!
Though endless reruns of Wild Kingdom.
Keep up the good work Tom, I feel better now knowing what level of radicals we’re dealing with in the czar wing of the white house.
Commie and fuzzy critter sympathizers,,, all of ‘em!
Atilla
Rochester, Mn
Posted on 11/3/2009 at 4:24:25 PM
jared -
“your false statement about ayers visiting the white house?
No retraction?
hmmmm”
Here’s 0bomba’s White House visitors list:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/disclosures/visitor-records
I see “William Ayers” on the list.
George Soros paid a few visits too. Along with Michael Moore and the SEIU union head honcho Andrew Stern.
Michael Jordan stopped by to play basketball.
Jeff Immelt, CEO of General Electric, stopped by to thank P-B0 for his stimu=less dough.
Don’t forget Angela Davis, the former COMMUNIST PARTY CANDIDATE for Vice President who was found innocent of kidnapping and murder of a judge.
She probably stopped by to tell P-B0 he is right on track for his Communist agenda.
Even Good ol’ Rev. Jeremiah “God D@# America” Wright got a visit squeezed in.
Funny how AP and the rest of mainstream ignored it.
jared
kasson, mn
Posted on 11/3/2009 at 11:02:36 PM
Atilla, please read this
/www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/10/30/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry5466001.shtml
Care to retract?
hmmmmm…
Facts matter.
Foreveryo
ung
Darfur, MN
Posted on 11/3/2009 at 11:52:00 PM
If anyone doesn’t have a stake in Afghanistan and Iraq, (that is a loved one serving) they should NOT weigh in on sending troops there to fight. Me? I have a loved one serving. I don’t want him dying in vain protecting a dysfunctional government in a country incapable of achieving a semblance of order. So, all you arm chair bravados, SHUT UP unless you have skin in the game.
cc50
underworld, mn
Posted on 11/4/2009 at 1:18:37 AM
Be serious FOX NEWs ,you really don’t think Fox spins everything right? How dare the right sit back and watch this country go up in smoke under the Bush regime, then after one year of Obamas presidency blame all, on the only true democracy we’ve seen in almost a decade? Look at the damage on the entire global landscape. The Crimes committed under the last administration are and should be an embassment to us all, and we hide behind christianity yet forgive noone, nor seek justice unless it fits our fancy. No wonder muslims and half the world hate us, we’ve allowed kidnapping & torture while condeming others for it? We have never been more despised as a country EVER, so if you feel proud of the war in Iraq Shame on you, I see it it as a collasal waste, that could have had better results with a few dozen highly trained Rangers minus the trillions in ur boys pockets? This war on terror has replaced senior Bushes war on Drugs, the one he made billions on smuggling drugs through DEA. But i am a open minded radical liberal that the right has been hunting down and starving out of business for the last nine years? Unfotunately I don’t see much change in biz as usual so i am losing faith in main stream Ameica as much as the rest of the World has? I am sure you feel I am a whack job but I feel like in a few good men “ You CAN’T HANDLE THE truth”? The right always has the dire need to be right no matter the facts? Good luck, I sleep pretty well myself knowing I let my consience be my guide not the almighty worthless Dollar!
Atilla
Rochester, Mn
Posted on 11/4/2009 at 7:53:04 AM
K jared,
Let me get this Bovine excrement straight.
So the “William Ayers” (visits x 2) on that White House Visitation release:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/disclosures/visitor-records
Well that’s a DIFFERENT William Ayers?????
0bomba has been telling us for months he does NOT know any “William Ayers” and now we are supposed to believe he knows TWO of them!
Bawawawawaahahahaaaaahaha.
Now he knows TWO William Ayers. TWO with that common name!!!!!!
LOL...So it wasn’t the TERRORIST William Ayers who visited the White House........it was 0bomba’s OTHER “friend” named William Ayers!
One of the “William Ayers” he said he didn’t know 10 months ago?
theblueca
t
Roch, MN
Posted on 11/4/2009 at 8:19:52 AM
Let me get this straight Atilla. You repeatedly post any number of known hoaxes, bad info, dated info, bizzarro info, as facts. And make no apologies for any of it. Yet you call out others who YOU think post bad info? And by the way, can you back up your statement that Obama claims he doesn’t know William Ayers? Or are you just making that up to make a point?
jared
kasson, mn
Posted on 11/4/2009 at 10:29:22 AM
Ok atilla, let me get this straight, you were caught lying… AGAIN....
and you are hooting and hollaring at me?
Pardon me Atilla but your pants are on fire.
merv
Rochester, MN
Posted on 11/4/2009 at 10:41:42 AM
Gotta hand it to Atilla though! 6,858 posts and still active - luckily there isn’t a truth-meter, just a tact-meter. paleocon, paleoconstrikes, Othelmo, Othelmo_, Othelmo__ could learn from Atilla.
Atilla
Rochester, Mn
Posted on 11/4/2009 at 10:45:12 AM
Why doesn’t 0bomba just admit Ayers is his friend and mentor?
Everybody knows it.
In 0bomba’s book
_Nightmare of my Fa.... oops I mean
_Dreams of my Father_ he said he sought out Marxist Professors.
Atilla
Rochester, Mn
Posted on 11/4/2009 at 11:06:18 AM
Oh how 0bomba loves Marxism. Let us count the ways!
From the communist, ever 0boma lovin, Peoples Cube:
http://thepeoplescube.com/red/viewtopic.php?t=2048
“..With Barack Obama we finally have a true Strong Communist.
“..Understandably he doesn’t ADMIT TO BEING A MARXIST. No American politician does. However, a brief look at his OPENLY MARXIST FRIENDS AND FAMILY will show that he is a FELLOW TRAVELER.”
http://thepeoplescube.com/red/viewtopic.php?t=2048
You better read it!
It goes on to list, and talk about each friend/family/mentor.
~ Stanley Ann Dunham Obama Soetoro aka Mom
~ Barack Hussein Obama Sr.
~ Frank Marshall Davis
~ Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn
~ Sen. Alice Palmer and Dr. Quentin Young
~ Sam Graham-Felsen
Especially check out Sam Graham-Felsen. He was -
“Hired to run Obama’s blog, Sam Graham-Felsen writes in a Marxist publications that openly calls for revolution against the American government.
Sam is a former writer for the leftist Nation magazine and a contributor to the Socialist Viewpoint. He is certainly a BELIEVER IN CLASS WARFARE. The product of a Harvard education, Sam is an admirer of anti-American academic Noam Chomsky. Mr. Chomsky is fond of visiting dictators and terrorists and giving SPEECHES THAT BLAME THE WORLD’S ILLS ON AMERICA.”
Here’s the Peoples cube again. Read. It. All:
http://thepeoplescube.com/red/viewtopic.php?t=2048
jared
kasson, mn
Posted on 11/4/2009 at 11:07:50 AM
Attempting to cover up one lie with another?
You are struggling lately.
Internet hoaxes, misinformation, outright lies..... Come on.
jared
kasson, mn
Posted on 11/4/2009 at 11:11:35 AM
Find any thesis papers or Kenyan birth certificates lately atilla?
Keep searching.
MommaBear
Byron, MN
Posted on 11/4/2009 at 11:14:51 AM
Excellent letter Tom! What really has this guy done so far to win such admiration from people like susieq and jared? Oh yeah, I forgot, Jack & Squat.
Othelmo__
Rochester, MN
Posted on 11/4/2009 at 1:30:25 PM
The topic here is Obama’s incompetence, which makes it understandable why Obama’s intelligentsia goons would rather focus attention elsewhere.
rb102175
Rochester, MN
Posted on 11/5/2009 at 7:28:23 AM
We really need to wake up and come together or we are going to be taken over. Simple as that. Used to be it was a joke to hate repubs or dems, now we are like two separate countries...neither of which, by the way, is functioning vary well.
rb102175
Rochester, MN
reader008
Chatfield, Mn
Posted on 11/5/2009 at 8:10:18 AM
cc50, you have a couple good points, but as far as the rest of the world despising us. Mostly media hype I think. And most of the people that do hate us probably are radical muslims. So why should we let that both us. There is nothing in the world that will change their feelings as long as we are Christian. So get over it. It is not a big deal. We have bailed out so many countries over the past 100 years, they have no right to hate us! We have many grave yards of our fallen soldiers in other countries, that have died to make other countries of the world free. There are no graveyards over here with soldiers from other countries that have died to help us be free. So get over it.
Othelmo__
Rochester, MN
Posted on 11/6/2009 at 12:58:17 AM
“Don’t bother asking them if they want ‘Whine with their cheese”
Frank’s post is a sure sign that the liberal intelligentsia need to have more cheese and a whole heck less wine or whatever it is that is inducing their drunken disconnect with their sorry political reality. The sooner they admit what a miserable failure and disappointment their lord Barack has been, the sooner their hangover will go away.
ProAmeric
an
Byron, MN
Posted on 11/6/2009 at 4:16:47 AM
MommaBear I found this list of accomplishments that someone had posted on a blog.
It seems accurate as far as I can tell; but is missing a few items and only lists what he has done his first six months.
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Obama’s First Six Months’ Accomplishments
1. Offended the Queen of England
2. Bowed to the King of Saudi Arabia .
3. Praised the Marxist Daniel Ortega.
4. Kissed Socialist Hugo Chavez on the cheek.
5. Endorsed the Socialist Evo Morales of Bolivia
6. Sided with Hugo Chavez and Communist Fidel Castro against Honduras
7. Announced we would meet with Iranians with no pre-conditions while
they’re building their nuclear weapons.
8. Gave away billions to AIG also without pre-conditions.
9. Expanded the bailouts.
10. Insulted everyone who has ever loved a Special Olympian.
11. Tripled our national debt.
12. Announced the termination of our new missile defense system the
day after North Korea launched an ICBM.
13. Released information on U.S. Intelligence gathering despite
urgings of his own CIA director and the prior four CIA directors.
14. Accepted without comment that five of his cabinet members cheated
on their taxes and two other nominees withdrew after they couldn’t take
the heat.
15.. Appointed a Homeland Security Chief who identified military
veterans and abortion opponents as “dangers to the nation.”
16. Ordered that the word “terrorism” no longer be used and instead
refers to such acts as “man made disasters.”
17. Circled the globe to publicly apologize for America ‘s world
leadership.
18. Told the Mexican president that the violence in their country was because of us.
19. Politicized the census by moving it into the White House from the
Department of Commerce.
20. Appointed as Attorney General the man who orchestrated the forced
removal and expulsion to Cuba of a 9-year-old whose mother died trying to bring him to freedom in the United States
21. Salutes as heroes three Navy SEALS who took down three terrorists
who threatened one American life and the next day announces members
of the Bush administration may stand trial for “torturing” three 9/11
terrorists by pouring water up their noses.
22. Low altitude photo shoot of Air Force One over New York City that
frightened thousands of New Yorkers.
23. Sent his National Defense Advisor to Europe to assure them that
the US will no longer treat Israel in a special manner and they might
be on their own with the Muslims.
24. Praised Jimmy Carter’s trip to Gaza where he sided with terrorist
Hamas against Israel
25… Nationalized General Motors and Chrysler while turning shareholder control over to the unions and freezing out retired investors who owned
their bonds. Committed unlimited taxpayer billions in the process.
26. Passed a huge energy tax in the House that will make American industry even less competitive while costing homeowners thousands per year.
27. Announced nationalized health care “reform” that will strip seniors of their Medicare, cut pay of physicians, increase taxes yet another $1 trillion, and put everyone on rationed care with
government bureaucrats deciding who gets care and who doesn’t.
Tom Daschle says, “Health care reform will not be pain free. Seniors
should be more accepting of the conditions that come with age instead
of treating them,” while former Colorado Governor Lamm says seniors
have “a duty to die.”
