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mamabear
Chatfield, MN
Posted on 11/11/2009 at 12:09:00 PM
“None of that should dissuade people from getting the vaccines. It is safe and effective.” Ya, until it kills you.
Bummer
Bryon, MN
Posted on 11/11/2009 at 2:08:02 PM
yeah...probably don’t need to do CPR on someone with only a febrile seizure. I’m just saying…
Rochester
Mom
Rochester, MN
Posted on 11/11/2009 at 2:08:40 PM
Mamabear- the flu is far more likely to kill! It’s a risk either way but your far more likely to have a tragic outcome from the flu than you are from getting the vaccination.
Bill
Rochester, MN
Posted on 11/11/2009 at 2:26:31 PM
I am sad that so many people (like mamabear) don’t understand risk. It’s like people who think flying is risky but jump in their car without a second thought…
BTW, from Mayo:
A febrile seizure is a convulsion in young children caused by a sudden spike in body temperature, often from an infection. Watching your child experience a febrile seizure can be alarming. It may last only a few minutes, but it may seem like an eternity.
Fortunately, febrile seizures aren’t as dangerous as they may look. A seizure triggered by a sudden fever is usually harmless and typically doesn’t indicate a long-term or ongoing problem. Often, a febrile seizure occurs before parents even realize that their child is ill.
Being sure the child is safe during a seizure, offering comfort afterward and following up with a doctor’s visit are good approaches for handling a febrile seizure.
mamabear
Chatfield, MN
Posted on 11/11/2009 at 2:56:29 PM
I’ve weighed my risks and am about as likely to die in a hurricane in Minnesota as I am to die of H1N1, especially at my age. I believe this is hyped up way more than it needs to be. More people die from the seasonal flu every year than those from H1N1 (predicted). I used to be like you folks and get my checkups, my vacs, yadda yadda yadda until I started reading up on them. No longer am I just following everyone else because it’s the right thing to do. I question everything.
Bill
Rochester, MN
Posted on 11/11/2009 at 5:56:15 PM
“...until I started reading up on them.”
Let me guess, you agree with the “Vaccinations cause autism and ...” crowd?
susiec
Rochester, MN
Posted on 11/12/2009 at 7:55:37 AM
90% of what is on the net to “read up on” regarding vaccines is total garbage. (yes, I made that statistic up - see how easy it is?) I agree that the H1N1 thing is totally hyped up - but not as much as the dangers of the vaccine are. It’s almost unfair to call this a reaction to the vaccine. This boy could have just as easily had a febrile seizure from a case of the flu. It was the scariest thing they’ve ever gone through because they didn’t know what it was. I think this vaccine business is just another example of our generation not realizing how good we’ve got it. We’ve never watched our children die or become crippled for life after contracting Polio virus. We take the mass immunity for granted and selfishly think we don’t need to vaccinate because other parents already have. I’ll admit I ride the fence on influenza vaccines but for the most part vaccines are a wonderful thing.
Natural
Olmsted, MN
Posted on 11/12/2009 at 9:05:01 AM
Contents of H1N1 flu vaccines - Do you think our creator intended for our bodies to be injected with these items? Or do you think our creator gave us good whole foods we need to fuel and support our bodies?
* aluminum hydroxide* aluminum phosphate* ammonium sulfate* amphotericin B
* animal tissues: pig blood, horse blood, rabbit brain, dog kidney, monkey kidney,
* chick embryo, chicken egg, duck egg* calf (bovine) serum* betapropiolactone
* fetal bovine serum* formaldehyde* formalin* gelatin* glycerol*squalene
* human diploid cells (originating from human aborted fetal tissue)
* hydrolized gelatin* mercury thimerosol (thimerosal, Merthiolate(r))
* monosodium glutamate (MSG)* neomycin* neomycin sulfate* phenol red indicator
* phenoxyethanol (antifreeze)* potassium diphosphate* potassium monophosphate
* polymyxin B* polysorbate 20* polysorbate 80
* porcine (pig) pancreatic hydrolysate of casein* residual MRC5 proteins* sorbitol
* tri(n)butylphosphate,
* VERO cells, a continuous line of monkey kidney cells, and
* washed sheep red blood
Get the injection and go on eating your processed foods laden with sugar and preseratives and fuel up on your coffee! Aren’t you lucky you aren’t going to die from the flu?
Rochester
Mom
Rochester, MN
Posted on 11/12/2009 at 9:16:32 AM
Natural, alot of crazy things are in the other vaccinations as well. Do you think we should just stop all vaccinations because it’s not “natural”???
artista
rochester, mn
Posted on 11/12/2009 at 9:30:40 AM
“It was the scariest thing they’ve ever gone through because they didn’t know what it was.” ~~ susiec
Knowing “what it was” wouldn’t have made it any less scary for the parents. Unless you’ve watched your child go through a febrile seizure, you have no idea how scary it is.
J-Man
Zumbrota, MN
Posted on 11/12/2009 at 9:33:40 AM
Hey, don’t harp on Mamabear or Natural… more vaccines for the rest of us:)
Natural
Olmsted, MN
Posted on 11/12/2009 at 9:45:04 AM
I think that all people need to get back to the basics of food. Quit eating sugar, candy, and ice cream. Quit drinking soda, coffee, alcohol and quit the deep fried foods. Quit eating the boxed and frozen processed and empty foods that are filling your pantry. Eat your fresh fruits and veggies, legumes, whole grains, fish and eggs that you prepare from scratch! America’s health care problems solved. Need for vaccination solved. Take charge of your own bodies. Make your own health care choices. Stop relying on the medical doctors to treat only your symptoms, but not get to the cause of the problem.
Rochester
Mom
Rochester, MN
Posted on 11/12/2009 at 9:54:50 AM
Natural- “Need for vaccination solved” so you’re saying if live a very healthy lifestyle, eat naturally and such we won’t get sick at all? Will that also stop us from getting Polio, Mumps, Measles etc? Sounds like a plan… stop all vaccines and go back to the days of watching kids die from stuff we can prevent…
Natural
Olmsted, MN
Harley
Unavailable, MN
Posted on 11/12/2009 at 10:23:39 AM
I am on the fence about giving my children and myself the H1N1 vaccination. Right now I am against the H1N1. We all did the flu shot but I might decide against that next year. My concern is what will our children’s immune system be like when they are 40. If I vaccinate them for everything their body won’t know how to fight off anything. I do agree on vaccinations for mumps, polio, chicken poxs, etc but not toally sure about flu and H1N1.
Rochester
Mom
Rochester, MN
Posted on 11/12/2009 at 10:56:08 AM
Alright Natural I’m not sure what you are trying to show with your statement of “Dr. Maurice Hilleman”. Maybe you shoudl explain yourself because I looked him up and article after article shows the extrodinary work he did to create vaccines and the millions of lives have been saved from it. Below is an experpt from an article I found about him. So I’m not sure what you are trying to say since that doctor was very pro vaccine and saved many lives and you appear very against vaccines.
From: http://www.njabr.org/njsor/science_superstars/maurice_hilleman/
“His credits include not only the preventive vaccine for mumps, but also vaccines for measles, rubella (German measles), chickenpox, bacterial meningitis, flu and hepatitis B. Every time an American mother takes her child to the doctor for a well-baby checkup, she likely encounters the fruits of Hilleman’s labor - vaccines that have put an end to longtime scourges of American childhood.
Many of the diseases that Hilleman’s vaccines helped bring under control have been all but forgotten by a well-immunized generation of Americans. But not that long ago in this country, these diseases not only kept children home from school, they also sent them to the hospital and even the cemetery. Today Hilleman’s measles vaccine alone prevents an estimated one million deaths around the globe every year.”
Rochester
Mom
Rochester, MN
Posted on 11/12/2009 at 11:05:18 AM
Harley, if your kids or your family have any risk factors such as asthma, weakened immune systems or respiratory issues then I think that the vaccine is extremely important.
If there aren’t any risk factors then the child is far less likely to be critically ill but ask any ER doctor or nurse in Rochester and they can tell you of many cases of kids who were on their death bed hooked to oxygen despite no underlying health conditions. Of course there is always going to be people that get extremely sick and that isn’t the norm with the H1N1 but it’s certainly a possibility.
For my family half of us got the flu ourselves and it was really, really crappy… took a few good weeks for us to feel like we were back to normal energy levels and such, the other half got vaccinated. Those of us who got the flu were not critically ill but we were sure miserable and felt like we fell behind in life for nearly a month because of lingering symptoms and long lasting fatigue and weakness. There are also some who snap out of it after a couple days and it was very mild so you just never know… it’s a hard one. There is no “right” answer. Healthy people are certainly getting extremely sick though and even those who are not getting “extremely sick” are often still awfully miserable for an extended period of time.
Natural
Olmsted, MN
Bill
Rochester, MN
Posted on 11/12/2009 at 1:11:18 PM
“My concern is what will our children’s immune system be like when they are 40. If I vaccinate them for everything their body won’t know how to fight off anything. “
You might want to look up what a vaccine is. They trick our bodies into thinking they are infected so the immune system kicks in and thus you do gain immunity. That’s why it’s called “immunization”.
susiec
Rochester, MN
Posted on 11/12/2009 at 3:15:40 PM
Artista - shame on you for assuming. I did watch my oldest daughter have a febrile seizure when she was an infant (Incidentally after having a round of immunizations). It was very disturbing but my husband knew what was happening and kept me from panicking. Natural - I agree that everyone would benefit from getting back to basics, but something you need to remember is that when all man had available to him was whole, natural, fresh foods his lifespan was about 40 years. And where did you find your list of vaccine ingredients? I’m not doubting their accuracy but I always like to know the source.
Bill
Rochester, MN
Posted on 11/13/2009 at 12:55:52 PM
Natural’s list of ingredients is a laundry list of things that may have been in various vaccines over the past 70 years.
If you want to find out what goes into a specific current vaccine you can read about them here:
http://www.vaccinesafety.edu/package_inserts.htm
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